This was a discussion that took place on facebook by some friends and I found it very interesting and thought that you who frequent this site could share your comments and views about the discussion on the topic. I believe these discussions are healthy to help us reflect and think about how the world views the “christians” beliefs and how they question our rationale.
Thanks Quinton…
Even at the risk of incurring the wrath of Christian-folk, I gotta ask… “Where was God when the buildings collapsed in Haiti and 200 000 men, women and children were smote?” – I find myself unable to reconcile the idea of a loving and merciful “God” with this level and extent of human misery. 
your answer: google “the five percenters”
I concur.
hmm y do we all look 2 god when bad things happen?he saves those who call out to him,those who know he is a loving god!no wrath jus my faith and love i have for him!he who gave his son 2 save us!
Undeniabley…ur question poses a sense of hostility amoung many,nt jst da “Christian folk”…HOWEVA i must agree wit u my bra,weh is this “God dat so loved da world”? Anihilation,Genocide,Mass Murder…whicheva way u look at it,ITS FUKD UP! Inocent people wer killed,y…? I ask…wud da thort even cross any parents minds 2 KILL thier own,& this i … See Moreask as a human…surely nt,hw much more our ‘Creator’? Makes u wonder…weh is this Creator,did this Creator dat loved da world so much change da game?
VERY good question, Charles! It is extremely difficult to reconcile the concept “Omniscient, omnipotent, loving Father God” doing nothing but sitting back and observing, with terrified screaming and dying children. “HIS” children!
Cho, you people say ya’ll don’t want God in your lives, and when He obliges, then you people want to complain… strange folk human beings are… Haitians het mekaar getoor. Enuf said.
People…dont let religion beguile ur sense of logical reasoning,eithe this “God” is powerless or had da power 2save n chose not 2 or…is a Hypocrit to “His Word” yesterday,today & 4eva more…yaa ryt!
He works in mysterious ways…
matthew 24.
many years ago when haiti was under the french rule, the entire country pleaded with the devil the release them from the french rule and they would all serve him.do you still ask yourself where was GOD? He will leave when you tell him too. they made the choice and now they are dealing with the affect.
God gave us free will. We willed the earth into the state of total disarray with climatic chaos… and nwo we want to either:
* Blame God for our mistakes.
* Question His existence because He let us suffer the consequences of our own making.
* God was with the people of Haiti, just not how WE wanted Him to be.. He was with that 8 week old baby who survived against all REASON and logic… he was with many people who survived the odds of surviving.
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We truly have become very egotistical in our humanness, thinking that God needs to do stuff for us to prove He exists… God is not at our service, we are at His… and since we have clearly asked Him to leave the house… erm.. I think He did.
First, we must remember that we live in a fallen world. God created a world in which sin was possible through the freedom He gave man. Adam and Eve lost all innocence when they freely chose wickedness over righteousness; disobedience over obedience. As a result we are all under the curse of sin and death. Not only us, but all creation suffers as a result of sin. Therefore the problem of evil is a predicament we all face whether we believe in God or not.
This leads to the second truth, the problem of evil and suffering in the world is more difficult without belief in God. God knows what suffering is like. God sent His only Son, Jesus, to suffer and die to pay the penalty of our sin. Our God has compassion on all His creation. This earthquake is a reminder that our life could end without warning. We… See More are just a breath away from tragedy. It could come in the form of a car accident, fire or any number of ways. Jesus said in Luke 13:3-5, “No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish. Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them: do you think that they were worse offenders than all the others who lived in Jerusalem? No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.” Hebrews 9:27 reminds us, that every one of us will one day die and then we will face judgment. God alone holds the answer to sin, death, destruction and eternal life.
Wel said Geno. We only remember God when things go wrong. But he neva 4gets us. Glory 2 God in the highest.
The third truth that will help us in such times is the certainty of God… See More’s plan for the end times. Many earthquakes will rock the world and billions will die during the time of the Tribulation. Then Christ will return and reign on the earth for 1,000 years before we enter the eternal state. Great bliss awaits the child of God.
As we wrestle with the reasons and implications of the earthquake in Haiti, we must be careful to avoid extremes in our thinking. On one extreme, avoid the doctrine that would picture God with His hands under Haiti shaking the ground until the buildings He wanted to fall finally collapsed. Don’t see it as God causing the earthquake to the magnitude that would achieve His desired number of people dead or trapped. This level of fatalistic determinism does not jive with the biblical witness of the character of God. On the other extreme, don’t think that God was taken by surprise and now He must react.
It would be error to think He simply looked into the future and knew it was going to happen. The truth is that God in His sovereignty allowed sin to enter the world. This leads to death, destruction and tragedy. Neither this, nor any other disastrous event in the past or future occurs apart from God… See More’s power and control.
So this brings us back to the big question “Where is God?” He is sovereignly in control of all things. We do not live in a runaway out of control world. He is lovingly present in every helping hand. He is graciously reaching to you to come to Christ in repentance and faith. So what can you do? You can pray, give and go to the world with the gift of God.
I believe that Haiti will rise up from the ruins. It’s not over. It’s never over. Something miraculous has already begun. May we use this tragedy to never take anyone or anything for granted and be grateful that we were given another day to do something special, something extraordinaire for another instead of living mediocre lives only concerned about our own well being.
Star trek will save us! 
It is sad what happened to the Hiatians… I have read on the island, and this, it seems, was a tragedy waiting to happen. And it did. Just read up on Haiti and it’s witchcraft. And try look at articles pre-earthquake to understand…
what Belle said c”,) the Devil uses these events to encourage doubt in God and His wisdom… I’ve also noticed that those who think that God has forsaken them and have turn their backs on Him are those that dwell on insignificant issues, and have emptiness in their lives.
Rome is next…
@ Belle, “It would be error to think He simply looked into the future and knew it was going to happen” – God is omnipotent and omniscient, surely a bit of clairvoyance would be included in the deal? Or is omniscience and omnipotence not what the dictionary definitions imply?
I find God’s version of morality and justice to be a stark contradiction to the principles upon which modern society bases its laws and around which we model our concepts of “justice”. Adam and Eve chowed a fruit they weren’t supposed to…so THEREFORE…”I will curse all you suckers and your unborn offspring for all eternity!” – YOH! Seems a bit harsh, no chance of rehabilitation, restorative justice, appeal, fair-hearing…nada…just eternal damnation for something as innocuous as eating a fruit (cosmically speaking, eating a fruit is flippin’ harmless and inconsequential in the scheme of things…don’t you think?)
Anyways, the really staggering thing about all this is that no matter how macabre, vindictive, brutal and “devilish” the deaths…God still somehow comes out guilt-free?
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Anyways Pastor Belle 
– Big contradiction in what you’re saying:
1) You say…and I quote…”He is sovereignly in control of all things.” …then you say…
2) “It would be error to think He simply looked into the future and knew it was going to happen”
Either He’s in control or He’s not…and there should be no flip-flopping on the issue.
Lemme go doss now…I hope my fan doesn’t fall on me while I sleep and then people say “thank you God for killing that blasphemous b@stard Charles!” 
ROTFLMAO, I think yr exit would be a lot more harsh Charles. Just kidding. You still have time to repent.
My view on God (since no-one has shaken His hand and had a chat with Him in His sphere) is that God is omnicient and His omnicience is not time-bound…
My other view is that we place way too much significance on being alive on earth. What we are right now, is nothing compared to what our souls are going to experience to all eternint…. See More
Charles, your over-simplified version of the Garden of Eden story has some errors… God INDEED pardoned them.. Instead of eternal damnation, he LOVED them more, and agreed for them to enter the gates of heaven.
Also, to call the fruit, a simple fruit, seems farcicle for us, because we have become so used to disobedience that we mock corrective efforts of behaviour. Adam and Eve, KNEW the significance of that fruit, like we could never understand. The devil himself had tempt them for them to break their fellowship with God. They KNEW the consequences before they did it, so why then did they do it? They tested God’s promises… and God says He will not be mocked. Anyway… goodnight Ash
I think that time [outside of our own human experience and warped perception] is an illusion, so God’s omniscience means He CAN see, is aware of, EVERYTHING that is going on, “will happen”, and “has happened”. For Him it is an ever-present awareness of the “ever-present”.
It seems logical to view someone who has broken some kind of “code of … See Morebehaviour” as a fallen human being. But as Charles has pointed out, why should everyone pay for the “sin” of Adam, whatever that might have been? The babies who died in Haiti as a result of the earthquake were innocent and I would say that lumping them with the rest of us is an attempt to justify the indefensible. The children were innocent. They were in peril. Their “father” did not help them. This does raise valid questions, I reckon, even if I have no further understanding of the matter…
own abilitIm not going to assume to know the answer to this question….cause I serious dont….moreover Im not in the least bit offended by the question, I dont think God is offended either actually, He has allowed many many men, even in the bible to question Him and live to tell the tale. Im not going to try and defend God either, cause I dont think its neccessary or possible for my limited understanding to do justice to that effort. And well, in the times that we most question God, we presented with opportunities to grow in our our understanding of Him.
What I will say is that in my experience of Christianity, and reading of the bible, God does not ever promise a life without suffering instead part of this life is suffering and death but neither of these make life futile in fact its tradgedy that often increases meaning in life. At the risk of sounding to philosophical about the lived experience of Hatians, people may never understand good or grace if we didnt understand suffering.
On the question of whether God knew it would happen…the only logical answer is YES…God lives outside of time and so He has too know the futire present and past all at the same time…so He must have logically known…but then again…thats my interpretation of what living out side of time is….who knows the mystery of what that may mean?… See More
My reading of Christianity also makes me believe that God is all powerful, but in His infinite wisdom He has constrained His abilty to act on the earth by setting in place certain principles: Freedom of choice; gravity; the need to operate using a body; cause and effect….and again, Im not sure how the combination of these things operate from one situation to the next, but I reckon that understanding why Hati happened has got to do with some combination of the principled constraints God put in place.
Its the fact that at times like this logic elludes us that faith is required over trust…but faith need not be blind…at least not so blind that we connot confront obvious contraictions or difficulties.
Go Charles…maaaa man,religion was designed 2entrap mans ability of free will…its mans search 4 God not Gods search 4 man.Religeous dogma only sagrigates us humans,y not take da advise 4rm one of da greatest leaders of History,Yahshua ba Mariam a.k.a ‘Jesus’ who once told people not 2look 2da scribes & pharisees nor da temples & synogogues bt … See Moreratha 2look within…”for da kingdom of God is insyd of you”…Da etomology of Kingdom is made up of 2words Kings Domain…so if we are da kingdom of God,it wud mean dat we gods within ourselves,thus makn god omnipotent,omnipresent,omniscient…etc.Change starts within each individual not each individual tryna change da next…Realise self 1st then b da best u can b in accordance & alignment wit Universal laws…”I Am”! Da words dat got Yashua in trouble wit religious leaders of his time…are simplistic words of Self Realisation…
Geno…I have to question the logic of saying that Haiti’s witchcraft caused the earthquake and subsequent disaster to be what it was when you consider that in San Francisco not so long ago an earthquake of simplilar magnatude hit and only 60 lives were lost….reason? more structurally sound buildings, resources and capitailism’s impact on a first… See More world country. Now was San Fran doing something that they needed to repent from that they now have? arent there so many places in the first world and even in our backyard where nations have openly regarded themselves as secular thus and its people have in many ways denied God…why Haiti then, why not the whole world? Its like the disciples who asked Jesus about the blind man “did he sin or his parents?” and Jesus answered “neither he nor his parents sinned”…ek se maar net.
Food for thought Tessa… lemme go sleep and think about it, but will get back to you. At the time I typed it, it made sense…
Cool cool Geno
Does it matter right now if God was or was not involved? I just donated another 50usd to UNICEF (for Haiti). People need our help right now not our philosophy and viewpoints. Donate if you can.
Well put Kiersten.
I don’t question GOD!
@charles. Da first question i wud ask myself is, do i believe in God, if not then ur status is askin theological question which is wot atheist use 2 justify their beli… See Moreèf. And your reasoning wil only be circular and wil only result in u justifying your own belief. If u do believe in God ie. the christian God i’m assuming, then then the answer 2 your question lies in your bible(that book mom gave u many years ago, that now balances your cupboards). U wil soon relise that God is loving but he is also a just. He wil extend his love 2 u 4 only so long and then he wil execute justice on the offendas, and this also serves as a warning 2 others. Case and point see sodom and gomorah in the book of genesis. Some ppl made some good points here, so read them carefully b4 finding wot u think is loophole with theological and unfactual thinkin. God loves u, and he has reached out 2 u many times, but if u continue 2 ignore him, he wil serve justice.
@azaan, it is one thing 2 believe the word of God, but 2 take wot works 4 u, and use only that portion oe scripture is downright wrong. Jesus said ‘i(as in Jesus and not azaan) am da way da truth and da light. No man can enter da kingdom of God but thru jesus(not azaan). So only by acceptind Jesus Christ can u enter da kingdom of heaven.
Don’t think God has to take the blame for poor design….Natural disasters can happen any where. Charles, will you build a huge glass house in a place where it hails and the hail stones are as big as golf ball? Perspective and logic has nothing to do with the grace of GOD.
@tessa, does da fact that san francisco is da gay capital of the world count( rememba sodom and gomorah). Or when california approved gay marriages, they wer ravaged by da most runnaway fires in their history. Hmmm. Ppl here question Gods justice about babies but r strangely silent when 4million babies r legally slaughtered each year via abortion. … See MoreU see it easy 2 point da finger at God when things go wrong, but when things r good we turn from him. God is a just God and is waiting 4 u 2 turn bak 2 him.
Shane i did ask if they repented cause their sin must than be so much less than Haiti if the death tolls are anything to go by. Btw i dont believe that God punishes us for sin anymore the way he may have Sodom… if he did what would be the point of grace. On the other point…i do think this is a point worth raising…yes its important to give … See Moreaid but how we think about this will impact how we may try prevent this in future. What happened there indicates a social ill we must face up too.
tessa, grace is for believers. Da numbas that died is not important. Consider 4 moment da 9.11 attacks only 3000 lost their lives yet 2 usa, it was a great loss. 4 me 1 loss is 1 too many. It’s al about perspective 2 those impacted. God is a just God and he does punish. God hates all sin equily. Rememba lot was da only righteous 1 left in sodom and God witheld his wrath becos of that. I can’t speak 4 haíite nor san f. but i believe God was bringing ppl bak 2 himself.
@Shane…i suggest u go read ur biblios properly,da latter part of wat “Jesus” sed was actually no man cometh unto the “Father” not “kingdom” as u so put it or wait nw…which biblios are u reading,’da protestant or da catholic & orthodox biblios’? Its questionable caus we need 2consider Facts 2establish “Truth”, da catholic nd orthodox biblios … See Morehava total of 73books bt only 66books inda protestant biblios.The old testament is da same as da Jewish Tanakh,da catholic biblious hav 46books,as da biblios of da Jewish of Alexandria,who wrote da Septuagint,da version quoted by da apostles inda gospels & epistles.Da protestant biblios hav 39books,they do nt hav 4 Historic books : Tobit,Judith,1& 2Maaccabees. 2Wisdom books :Wisdom of Solomon & Ecclesiasticus of Ben Sirach. 1Prophetic book :Baruch & parts of Daniel ie.the prayer of Azariah,da song of da Three young men,Bel & Dragon & Susana.Since Catholism is da 4runner of Christianity,it wud b enlightening 4u 2consider these biblios dat conveniently hav bn omited…y?
You know what would be a real miracle to me…if “God” decides to start smiting people en-masse…”humanely”. By that I mean if we read in the newspapers that 200 000 people died in their sleep with smiles on their faces and they weren’t crushed by concrete in excruciating ways or burned alive or drowned or killed by organ liquefying viruses…that would be a real miracle in my opinion. With omnipotence, surely there gotta be a degree of compassion…or did “God” not watch Spiderman 1? (you know, the part where Peter Parker choons…”With great power comes great responsibility” )
@ Kiersten, I certainly understand the need to contribute to the Haiti crisis, but living on the African continent where disease, preventable death, pestilence, grinding poverty and the like are a daily occurrence, I think it would be unfair to channel inordinate amounts of resources to a country (Haiti) that is already the recipient of so much aid (granted, that aid is deperately needed…but let’s not lose perspective here). Just last year, 5 000 Zimbabweans died of CHOLERA, an eminently preventable disease…where was the concerted aid and mass-global relief effort? Or how about the 800 000 people massacred in 3 months in Rwanda in 1994? The global community was silent. And what about the earthquakes in Bam and Kazakhstan that claimed many tens of thousands of lives not too long ago…why weren’t there queues of givers feverishly giving to those disasters? I’m struggling to find the consistency in our responses, the fairness, the justness and the ratio at which aid is availed en-masse?
Selective morality is a serious cause for concern and I am appalled that Christians can be so dismissive and rationalising of this human catastrophe by stating that it was Divine justness (that is a sick line of thinking)…. See More
If anything, the Haiti disaster has made me realise how interconnected, mortal and vulnerable we all are. If I was an atheist before, I am now most definitely agnostic. For the first time in 15 years, my mind is open to the possibility of the existence of a “God”. That “God” however is DEFINITELY not the interventionist God spoken of in the Bible (or any other holy book for that matter) as I find the Biblical language used to describe this God to be far too restrictive, primitive, prescriptive, archaic, unreasonable and unjust. If there is a God out there, that “God” is far superior to any allegorical fable or descriptive narration which our ancient ancestors could conjure. The “God” which I am leaning to believe in, is far too powerful to be constrained by mortal words and shallow, self-serving interpretations as favoured by people who seek to use Christianity as a tool for fear mongering.
Thanks for all your input people, really appreciated…(I miss Bruin-ou.com for these kinds of debates )
Theme song for today (R.E.M – “Losing my religion”)
Shane …grace is not reserved for believers, or dont you believe that while we were sinners Christ died for us? Grace extended to all or not?…and are you assuming that none of the ppl who died in Haiti were belivers? Many believers experience tragedy…is God punishing them too? Is it only natural disasters that are God’s punishment or was 9.11 … See Morealso the wrath of God for sin? This is why i refuse to invoke the ‘God’s punishment’ thinking…it leads us to judging others sin over our own.
@charles, like i said your question is 1 that belongs in theological school of thought and not from an unbeliever or fence sitters point of view. U right in saying al da words in da bible don’t fully explain God. The bible does say that we can not comprehend God in our wildest dreams. God only revealed wot he wants us 2 know, and more is revealed as your( not da pastor or priest) relationship him grows.
tessa, don’t get me wrong. Al i’m saying is that u makin a jugdement cal by sayin God does not punish, if so wot bout sodom and g? Is it not da same God who lives 2day.
azaan, consider John 3:5. “Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” and to born again you have to declare with you mouth Jesus is God and believe in you heart see Romans 10:9,10 and also John 3:5. as for which bible to read, I believe in the Holy … See MoreBible, the truelly inspired word of God. It’s much like how different muslims behave in different parts of the world. I believe in the ordodox and catholic added versions due to the simple reason that I don’t believe that we should be praying to mary or anyone saints for for that matter but to God and Jesus. I am impressed with your knowledge of the bible and have not a adversary worthy of debating with, I hope you meet the requirements. By the way wot do you believe in.
@ Shane…the name Jesus was & stil is a mans name.”Christ” means the “Chosen One” which became associated wit da name Jesus after his “supposed” resurection.bt da inexplicable absence of da name of Christ inda early books of the bible,is filled wit suspicious undertones…cause da old testament talks generically bout a number of prophets or … See Moresaviours,bt suddenly only 1 emerged which happnd 2 hav bn ‘Jesus Christ’.I find this highly suspicious,cud not even one of these prophets hav actualy MENTIONED his name JESUS…hmmm?One of da most fascinating yet disturbn things bout da books of da bible & their reletives who did nt make it in2 da bible,is dat a bunch of men sittn around a boardroom table sum 350yrs after da death of “Christ,decided onda fate of all da writings… Wen Yashua spoke of ‘I AM THE WAY,THE LIGHT & THE TRUTH’ he spoke of ‘I Am Consciousness’ which he learned of inda Tibetan Mountains,bt of course u wouldnt knw dat caus ur bible has no recordings of that fact so u wudnt know dat…
Azaad, imagine if they did mention the name of the savior. There’d be to many Jesus’s running around causing confusion don’t think. Incidently, I have a neighbour named Jesus and he’s into housebreaking and his partners name is Satan(an absolutely true story). What is in a name my friend. hmmm.And prophet Isaiah does mention his name, check out these verses
Isaiah 49:6
God’s salvation would reach the ends of the earth
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Isaiah 7:14
Isaiah foreshadowed the virgin birth of Jesus
Isaiah 40:1-5,9
The Messiah would be preceded by a messenger
Isaiah 35:4-6
He would perform miracles
Isaiah 9:6-7
There would be a son called God
Isaiah 53:1-3
The Messiah would be rejected
Isaiah 50:6
Jesus was spat upon and beaten
Uuummmm(mxit rolling eyes) show me plural for saviors and mention of many. Which bible are reading? OR has the Quaran been your source. Hmmm, I wonder.
@Shane of cause its the same God but a different period and method…it was before Christ and the dispensation of grace over law…in the same way as he said He would not flood the earth again, he instituted grace…his grace will run out in the day of judgement…if it were the same then as now then we would still be stoned for our sins or … See Moreexpected to to slaughter animals an penence….different dispensation different method…again I say grace to all. I think weve become way to used to using single narratives in the bible quiet selectively to exptrapolate to other cases as it supports our logic….so all Ive tried to say that its really not as simple as natural disaater equals punishment for sin.
@ Charles…i commend your belief in something as opposed to nothing as it takes courage to believe….whike we could debate the contents of that belief I still think it a good thing to be willing to build faith. Your dead right, we have reduced God in very simple terms, biut thats not even they way God is displayed in the bible…The God of the bible is not as one dimentional than He is often preached to be…like Shane said I do hope that how you percieve God increases all the more. Your points about aid have bugged me too….if anything that need for aid in Haiti has energised me in giving ‘aid’ to the people in the backyard of my life who would have been starving or dying without it.
@ Shane…My conclusion 2u is very simple 1stly 2say dat i hate religion,its da worlds greatest slave maker…I Am a liberated,emancipated spirit being having a human being experience ina male gender encapsulated by time,im an extention on Divine Energy. 2Me belief is ignorance…one has 2research FACTS 2establish truth.Those facts are … See Moreobtainable 4rm various sources…nt jst da Bible or Quraan or only religious books…I respect u 4wat u stand up 4,it tells me dat u a man wit strong character…its wat i can n do apreciate bout people….hope iv enlightened u a lil further.Hava good day Sir
My three cents worth, read the book, The Shack by William P. Young I am sure you will get your answer there as I have and now have a new view of God and the Bible and it helped me answer those mind boggling questions.
Thanks
Quinton
@tess. The floods happened before Sodom and gomorah. Grace is a priviledge which is given with sufficient warning. Grace is not everlasting for induviduals. Gods patience does run out with induviduals.
@Azaad, thanks that does clears up quite a bit. For me, not believing in God is the black of death. The bible has many facts we have been proven to exist and not one to contradict it. Don’t think for, that with all of modern technology available today that the scientest would be able to prove the bible to be nothing more than a fairytale, and yet nothing but opinionated speculation. For me I would rather die a born again christian believing in a God and die to find out it’s not true than to die a unbeliever and find out there is a God that is waiting to judge me(because he is a just God). The choice is yours(Gods gift to humanity). You see I have a living testamony of God has done for me and if you interested I will share with you some day.
Satan according to the bible is the god of this world and keeps ppl blinded to the truth. Have ever wondered wot beyonce and jz believe in (I’m assuming you follow their music) then check out www.vigilantcitizen.com. they believe and you follow…. See More
Lastly, you said”I Am a liberated,emancipated spirit being having a human being experience ina male gender encapsulated by time,im an extention on Divine Energy” it’s interesting you say that because it almost sounds like you believe you have spirit and is not the result of accident caused by a cosmic explosion millions and billions of years ago. I have lot’s of respect for and feel that you have been heart along way by some religious institution or the other. But isn’t amazing when you were hurt and you searched for “truth” and evolution made so much sense. Yet if you scratch a bit further you find that evolution is as much a belief as any other religion. All I’m saying is you find what you wanna find.
Chat soon.
Shane…I was refering to the promise after the flood Noah survived. His patience may run out but His grace is suffiecient. God is way more aquainted with us as weak and flawed thats why grace is required. Privlegdes are earned…grace isnt.
tess, when the bible says his grace is sufficient, it means its sufficient 4 1 2 get born again. Some wil neva get born again and some wil. God sends msngers 2 those who wil turn 2 him, like Jonah and nineva, and he destroys those cities(without forsaking da righteous) that wil not turn away from their wicked ways.
@Shane…Duz ur bible not teach u 2study 2show urself approved…did da 3wisemen not follow da stars 2get 2Jesus…thus givn evidential proof of da practice of Astrology…there exist paranormal activities outside of da so called exclusivity dat Christianity claims ie.miracles,healing etc…only inda name of Jesus…!? Its not da religious … See Moreinstitutes dat disapointed or hurt me,its false religious teachings that present SALVATION as a reward for its followers…im not a follower of sensationalism,yes iv felt da presence of da ‘holy ghost’,yes iv performed miracles lyk cast out ‘demons’ & heal da sick…howeva,it wasnt my belief bt rather my connection with a higher source,The Divine source of Energy dat makes all things possible…its not fair 2assume things 4rm da 1st book of ‘IMAGINATION’ by sayn dat i was hurt by a religious institute or i use da Quraan as my source..mayb jst mayb one day the ‘TRUTH’ based on FACTS will set u free 4rm da chains of religion dat takes ur soul captive in false hopes of heaven
i apologise for my assumption, but 2 be fair, i did note it was an assumption in doin so. Again i apologise. As for the wise men, no where in the bible does it say there was 3 wisemen. Lol, so i guess u and i both readin from da book of imagination. And da following of da stars indicates(as da bible says) that every knee shal bow 2 Jesus. Don’t u … See Morethink that satanic practices allows 4 sorcery and divinity. Of course it does. Who is this energy u keep talkin bout? Sounds like it is u who hav fallen into a trap of false belief. Who determines right and wrong in your religion. Incidently bhudist monks hav da same religion as u hav. So hav u been set free or hav been trapped into anuda religion? Interesting. Wot makes u sure it’s God and not da devil speakin 2 u. Huh. In da bible God speaks 2 a ppl. Peace my man.
@ Charles Ash: Satan is the Prince of this world, so why ask where was God? Where was God when you woke up this morning, breathing normally and able to go about your daily business? If you don’t know God you cannot question. My suggestion: get to know God!
@Charles Ash: Join us at Lifestyle Ministries on Sundays at 9.30am – this week the title of the msg is: Ain’t Scared of Nothin’. You will get to know the truth about God. Look forward to your visit. Email me on michelle@lifestyleministries.co.za for directions.
@ Shane…apology accepted nw once again,i sed da ’3wisemen’ so u knw who im refering 2 wen i used dat analogy…i did not say its inda bible,lol…2ndly yes u right,Satanist do use da same power dat u as a christian uses 4 whether u wana call it witchcraft or sourcery…da power is enevitably available 2those dat knw how 2access it…its lyk … See Morehavn a gun in ur hands,it can b used 2protect u or 2committ crime…lykwise it is wit power,its determined by da one who uses it for good or bad.By da way…wasnt Jesus accused by religious foke of his time for performing miracles,da ppl accused him of using scorcery!!! Make no mistake i submit 2da teachings of Yashua,itsa pitty he neva wrote his own books,sumthn lyk ‘da gospel according 2 Yashua a.k.a ‘Jesus’…Uuuhhmm,once again becareful hw u ask questions caus they certainly cum across as demeaning & belittleing of others simply caus they dnt share da same views as u do…i dnt believe u hav even da sligtest idea of facts regarding religion…clearly evidential!
didn’t mean to. Just puting da question 2 u. And trying 2 get clarity on where u stand. Anyway, i feel we have exausted this thread. Just a question, when u say u follow Jesus or Yashua as u say, does that mean u only read Gospels?
@ Shane,pay attention…I sed i Hate religion,so y wud u associate me with anutha religion lyk Bhuddasm…although 2b honest,they too hav unrefutable truth jst lyk every utha religion,makes me wonder & 2ask u,wud u feel da same had u bn born in2 anutha family with anutha religion? …2clarify ur mystism regarding my standings,let me say this…… See MoreReligion is a good place 2start 2get ur foundation in society,howeva…iv evolved beyond da borders of religion & 2 answer u directly i determine my rights 4rm wrongs go read Romans chpt 14.And its not who is this Energy,bt rather Wat! as lyk in Electricity,u cnt see it bt u see its effects…Yeah mayb u ryt ol ‘Saint’,lol,mayb it is da ‘Devil’talkn 2me since da etomology description of ‘Devil’ is – an adversary! Lol…if u dnt knw,nw u knw NIGGA Much love n Respect…!
Hahahahahaha…Shane ol Shane,i did nt say i follow Yashua bt rather i submit 2his teachings inda Gospels…yeah as uv sed & i agree humbly… WE HAV EXHAUSTED THIS TOPIC REGARDING RELIGION…i dnt believe ‘God’ had anythn 2do wit killing these Haitians…it was a pure act of mother nature,& since da entire nation wasnt wiped out,i believe dat dez stil hope 4da rest…as fellow men lets focus on wats more important by giving aid 2their rescue…One Love & Peace
Charles it was only be God’s grace that you and i arent there laying dead among those men and women. I’ll say a prayer for them and for you.
think about this charles how many time have you gone against god and now imagin that there is no one on this earth can say that they have not even i have …now when god sends us indication that we are not going in the right direction and you critices god the one time he does something when everyday billions of people go against him one way or … See Moreanothe…another thing you going to ask…why hati??…there was a lot of witchcraft occuring in the country as your freind indicated and im not saying by killing people is the only way to go but everything happens for a reason …why not blame the devil he was not there how do you know its god that deffinatly did this and not the devil??…if you dont belive in god you can justify yourself but dont procrastinate against other religons!!!!
Tjoh, how did I miss this one?
Rather axe where was the Spagethdeity. I realy read sm contradicting statements here. Damn Charles ths wudve been a lekker debate on d Bruin-ou.com forums.
Charles! you old stirrer! lol
To me it seems that we all have a theology or philosophy in life that we pride ourselves on shaping our actions by, but unless someone approaches you asking what makes you the way you are in a positive way, you’re farting against thunder with trying to convict, proselytise or convert your fellow man.
That most magnificent bit ofverbiage, The Golden Rule should suffice to see you thru a lot of life’s shite, but with conditioned filtering we have managed to turn “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” into ” Others must do as I would have them do”
This is easily proved by looking at how majorities everywhere are being oppressed by minorities, and I don’t the black/white thing…..
As for Haiti, the earth moved..often…9 mil later, or is that crass?
This is easily proved by looking at how majorities everywhere are being oppressed by minorities, and I don’t the black/white thing…
As for Haiti, the earth moved…often…9mil later, or is that crass?
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